Saddleback Valley Trails

Saddleback Valley Trails

Vol 7 No 11 ...Editor: Gail Gilbert ...November 2000

South Orange County California Genealogical Society

 P. O. Box 4513, Mission Viejo, CA. 92690

Monthly meetings are held on the third Saturday of each month from 10:00 a.m. to Noon at the Mission Viejo Family History Center Institute Building, 27978 Marguerite Parkway, Mission Viejo, between Medical Center Drive and Hillcrest Drive. Membership is open to anyone wishing to join. Yearly membership fees are $20 per calendar year for individuals, $25 for joint membership. SOCCGS is not affiliated with the LDS Family History Center.


18 November 2000 Everett Ireland will speak on "Researching in Washington, D.C.

16 December 2000 Christmas party.

20 January 2001 To be scheduled. Topic to be either Scottish or German Research.

17 February 2001 Speaker Wendy Ellliott Scheinberg to be confirmed.

17 March 2001 Joan Rambo will speak to us about using non-genealogical sources for your research.

21 April 2001 Global History will be the topic of Kathleen Trevena.

19 May 2001 Louis Carlson will talk to us about "Everything You Wanted to Know About Headstones and Were Afraid to Ask: "A Humorous Look at Headstones Through the Ages,Their Maintenance and their Symbolism."

16 June 2001 Gary Shumway will speak on:"Using Oral History to Document Your Genealogy."

21 July 2001 Norma Keating will cover Danish Research for us.


11 November 2000 The German Genealogical Society of America (GGSA) will hold a seminar on German genealogy featuring Maralyn Wellauer of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, internationally known author and professional genealogist. Her topics will include Tracing the Midwest Germans, You Asked: FAQ's in German Genealogy, Swiss Immigration and Settlement and a 4th topic to be announced. The event will be held at the Bette Cree Edwards Humanities Auditorium, 9th & Columbia, Scripps College, Claremont. Fee $24 at the door. Adv. reservations call (909) 593-0509.


2 December 2000 The Genealogical Society of Hispanic America - Southern California Chapter will present at their general meeting, "Oral History with a Hispanic Twist: Developing Oral Histories and Adapting Life Stories From the Tales of Our Grandparents' by Mary Ann Montanez. The meeting will be held at the SCGS Library, 417 Irving Dr., Burbank, CA from 10 am 0 4 pm.

25-27 January 2001 An "Irish Crash Course" in genealogy will be held at the Marriott Hotel, Torrance. Speakers will be noted researcher and co-founder of British Isles Family History Society, Nancy Bier, and professional genealogist, author and lecturer, Nancy Carlberg. Cost will be $98, including syllabus and $50 for Saturday only. An alternative program will also be offered on Saturday for those who are unable to attend the first two days. For more information contact Nancy Carlberg (714) 772-2849 or Nancy Bier (310) 375-6149, e-mail

24 February 2001 The Whittier Area Genealogical Society will present their Annual WAGS Seminar with nationally known speaker and author, Richard S. Wilson on "Making Connections: Technology and Genealogy ." For more information visits WAGS new web Page (sponsored by Richard Wilson of at

24-25 March 2001 The Southern California Genealogical Society and Family Research Library will present JAMBOREE 2001, Saturday 8:30 am - 6 pm & Sunday 8:30 am - 4 pm, at the Exhibition Bldg., Pasadena Convention Center, 300 E. Green St., Pasadena. See



OCT 25 Riverside and San Bernardino Libraries

NOV 22 Carlsbad Library

DEC 27 Will go somewhere if there's enough interest

Note: This schedule is subject to change without prior notice. Any questions, please contact Janet Franks at (949) 496-8428.


Ancestral Trails has scheduled their 12th Annual Trip, Trip #1 to England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland, for March 30 - May 11, 2001. Reservations and deposits are due November 1 with the balance due December 10, 2000. There are six one-week trips planned at a cost of $1600 per week, as follows: Week 1- London and/or optional Wales; Week II- Cardiff, Wales, Liverpool; Week III- Yorkshire; Week IV-Edinburgh and Glasgow, Week V & VI- Ireland. The trips will be accompanied by Nancy Lee Bier ( or 310-375-6149), Nancy Ellen Carlberg (714-772-2849) and Annie Lloyd ( or 310-398-3924), who as professional genealogists will serve as consultants and trip coordinators. The second trip will be in the summer and will include London and the southern counties. The third trip will be in the fall to Ireland. Airfare is not included in the cost and other expenses are covered only as noted. For additional information, contact one of the three women above.




The National Archives & Records Administration in Laguna Niguel has extended their hours of operation. Their regular hours will continue to be Monday-Friday, 8:00 am-4:30 pm. In addition, the Genealogical Microfilm Research Room will be open the first and third Saturday of each month, 8:00 am-4:30 pm. Through October, the research room will be open on the second and fourth Tuesday until 8:30 pm, and beginning in November, it will be only open after 4:30 pm on the fourth Tuesday of each month. For information on NARA workshops, held at 24000 Avila Rd., Laguna Niguel, call (949) 360-2541.



For schedule of current classes being held at the LA Family History Center, 10741 Santa Monica Blvd., Los Angeles, call (310) 474-9990 or visit their website at

For information on classes held at the Orange FHC, 674 S. Yorba St., Orange, call Beth McCarty at (714) 998-3408. The remaining mini class schedule is as follows:

Nov 8, Wed 10-noon U.S. Census On-Line Barbara Renick

Nov 9, Thur 10-11 am How to Use Public & University Libraries Norma Keating

Nov 15, Wed 10-noon File It, Find It - Part II Linda Newsom

Nov 17, Fri 10-11 am How to Find U.S. Colonial Records Celia Christensen

Nov 18, Sat 10-noon Hungarian Research Vera Boyles

Dec 6, Wed 10-noon Starting Your Personal History - Part I Linda Newsom

Dec 7, Thur 10-11 am Putting the Gene Back in Genealogy Norma Keating

Dec 8, Fri 10-11 am Carved in Stone: Cemetery Hints, Humor Celia Christensen

Dec 13, Wed 10-noon Starting Your Peronal History - Part II Linda Newsom

Dec 16, Sat 10-noon Hungarian Research Vera Boyles

For classes at the Mission Viejo Family History Center, 27976 Marguerite Parkway, Mission Viejo: or phone (949) 364-2742. New classes in "Beginning Genealogy" and "Computers in Genealogy" start on October 3 and continue through Nov. 7 on Tuesday evenings 7-9 pm . No charge!

Classes for beginners and intermediates in Computer-assisted Genealogy are offered each month by the Orange County CA Genealogy Society in the General Meeting Room of the Huntington Beach Central Library, 7111 Talbert Ave., Huntington Beach, CA for a fee of $4 for non-members, payable at the door. See for schedule.





Most of us have found that, in doing early research, especially in Virginia, deeds and wills play an important role. They often provide the names and data necessary to prove the connection of an ancestor from one generation to another. In a recent article, "Probate Records, Part II", in the 5/8/2000 issue of Daily News, Donn Devine points out the following: "Other than the will and affidavits of the witnesses, probate records may include the petition of the proposed personal representative, inventories, accountings of receipts and disbursements, and distribution lists. . . . Each type of probate record offers different insights about the relatives, economic status, and lifestyle of the deceased. The will is especially useful for the relationships it states, and for clues to unstated relationships from the identities of the witnesses, executors, and heirs. . . The petition will usually state the date of death, which may not appear anywhere else. . . For appointment of an administrator, the petition will name all those who are of the same or a closer relationship to the decedent as the proposed administrator. . . Inventories and accounts will tell you much about a person's economic status, occupation, and lifestyle. Distribution lists, particularly for intestate estates, can suggest previouly unknown relationships...Probate records are often the key to opening previous dead end family history research."

A tip concerning "wills" was submitted by Iris Graham from her files: "There are two very important dates to remember when working with probate records in Virginia. In October 1776, entail was abolished and on January 1, 1786, the English system of primogeniture of land ceased. Prior to January 1, 1786, a will in Virginia did not have to name the wife or the eldest son. Their inheritance of real estate was set by law - the widow receiving her dower or 1/3 for her lifetime and the eldest son as heir-at-law receiving all of his father's land unless otherwise specified in the father's will. He received his mother's share upon her death. If the father died intestate, the eldest son recieved all of the real estate. If the eldest son was dead, the heir-at-law became the eldest grandson (son of the eldest son) of the whole blood, not the 2nd son. If a man was unmarried, his heir-at-law was his eldest brother - never his father or uncle. Just as the Monarchy of England is inherited only by descent, so it was with the inheritance of land in Virginia - never could land be inherited by going upward or back on the family tree. If an unmarried man died with no heirs other than his father, his property reverted to the government. If he was married but childless, his wife retained her dower right for life but in order to obtain outright control of his land she had to petition and pay for a new patent to the land." As a further note to this advice on wills, Donn Devine reminds us that "The omission of a known child could mean that the person had died before the will was made, or that the child had already received its portion, like a daughter who had a dowry at marriage."

Being aware of certain traditions in preparing documents or in naming children can be helpful in doing your research also, such as the following tips. The first comes from the Internet and was published in "On the Garrard County Line", May 1, 1998: "In the lower left-hand corner of most deeds, you will find signatures of two to four witnesses. The first one is (most always, but not written in stone) from the husbands side. The next one always from the wife's side. This is to protect her 1/3 dower right under the law. Nothing you will ever use will give greater clues to the maiden names than witnesses to old deeds!"

Our last tip involves the pattern our ancestors commonly used for naming their children, which was passed on to me by a family genealogist. This sequence can help determine the order of birth of a list of children, or in reverse, when the children's birth order is known, it can help supply the probable names of the grandparents when they are unknown. The pattern goes like this: the first son was named for paternal grandfather, the second son was named for maternal grandfather, the third son was named for the father and the fourth son was named for the father's eldest brother; the first daughter was named for the maternal grandmother, the second daughter was named for the paternal grandmother, the third daughter was named for the mother, the fourth daughter was named for the mother's eldest sister. I might add that I have noticed that, once they were no longer tied to tradition, parents seemed to cut loose and give their later children some really unusual names!

For more research tips on this topic, refer to "Probate Records, An Underutilized Source," originally published in the May/June issue of "Ancestry Magazine."


As we reported in an earlier newsletter, Heritage Quest announced they were putting the entire federal census on-line. Now, intends to do the same as part of their Images Online service. This will include electronic images of all the federal census records from 1790 to 1920 which were obtained directly from the National Archives. It will be possible for these records to be viewed and copied online by a user with a special Census Subscription. For current Subscribers, this subscription cost will be $39.95 a year, and it will be $59.95 a year for Subscribers. (from and WAGS Newsletter, Vol. 20, no. 5, Oct. 2000)


It won't be long and we will have the 1930 census available to us. If you are wondering whether this census will be helpful to you, the following questions were asked of everyone participating in that census: Address, Name, Relationship to head of household, Home owned or rented, Value or monthly rental, Radio set, Whether on a farm, Sex, Race, Age, Marital status, Age at first marriage, School attendance, Literacy, Birthplace of person and parents, If foreigh born, language spoken in home before coming to the U.S., Year of immigration, Whether naturalized and ability to speak English, Occupation, Industry, Class of worker, Whether at work previous day (or last regular working day), Veteran status. For Indian: whether of full or mixed blood and tribal affiliation. (Questing Heirs, Vol. 33, no. 10, Oct. 2000 and Genealogist, Vol XX, no 8, Aug. 2000)


The following members were nominated at the October meeting for the slate of Officers to serve for the year 2001. This slate will be voted on at the November meeting.

President Mary Jo McQueen

Vice President Karyn Schumaker

Recording Sec. Joe Barney

Corresponding Sec. Pat Weeks

Treasurer Ruby White


Standards for Sharing Information with Others

In 1997, The National Genealogical Society adopted three sets of standards for genealogical research: !) Standards for Using Records Repositories and Libraries, 2) Standards for Use of Technology in Genealogical Research, and 3) Standards for Sound Genealogical Research. This year they have published a new set of standards, Standards for Sharing Information with Others:

Conscious of the fact that sharing information or data with others, whether through speech, documents or electronic media, is essential to family history research and that it needs continuing support and encouragement, responsible family historians consistently -

1. respect the restrictions on sharing information that arise from the rights of another as an author, originator or compiler, as a living private person; or as a party to a mutual agreement.

2. observe meticulously the legal rights of copyright owners, copying or distributing any part of their works only with their permission, or to the limited extent specifically allowed under the law's "fair use" exceptions.

3. identify the sources for all ideas, information and data from others, and the form in which they were received, recognizing that the unattributed use of another's intellectual work is plagiarism.

4. respect the authorship rights of senders of letters, electronic mail and data files, forwarding or disseminating them further only with the sender's permission.

5. inform people who provide information about their families as to the ways it may be used, observing any conditions they impose and respecting any reservations they may express regarding the use of particular items.

6. require some evidence of consent before assuming that living people are agreeable to further sharing of information about themselves.

7. convey personal identifying information about living people - like age, home address, occupation or activities - only in ways that those concerned have expressly agreed to.

8. recognize that legal rights of privacy may limit the extent to which information from publicly available sources may be further used, disseminated or published.

9. communicate no information to others that is known to be false, or without making reasonable efforts to determine its truth, particularly information that may be derogatory.

10. are sensitive to the hurt that revelations of crimianl, immoral, bizarre or irresponsible behavior may bring to family members.

Copyrighted 2000 by National Genealogical Society. Permission is granted to copy or publish this material provided it is reproduced in its entirety, including this notice.


The Internet has brought a tremendous amount of data right to our finger tips, so much so that the problem often becomes how to access what you want efficiently. One sophisticated technique for using search engines and searching online databases is to use Boolean logic. Basically, this involves the use of the words AND, OR or NOT along with the keywords you are requesting. Use AND when you want to find entries that include multiple topics. Use OR for entries that cover either or both topics. Use NOT for entries that cover one topic and definitely don't cover the second topic. This simplified explanation came from the Sept. 2000 Questing Heirs newsletter, Vol. 33, no. 9. A more detailed explanation can be found in archived articles by Michael John Neill in the Daily News: "The Basics of Boolean Logic for the Genealogist," 1/19/1999 and "Searching for Peter Bieger's Pickeled Pepper Web Page: Using Boolean Searches," 1/21/1999. You can access these articles at: and

An additional way to improve your surname search of the CA Birth and Death Indexes is offered by Joan Lowrey in the October 2000 newsletter from the California State Genealogical Alliance. She calls it "using a wildcard." For surnames, enter three or more letters followed by an * and you will find various spellings of the same name. For dates, enter at least three numerals of the year followed by an * and you can cover a range of a decade for a person when an exact date of birth or death is not known. Using this method reduces the number of people you will have to review, especially if you are dealing with a common name. In the next issue of our newsletter we will attack this problem of "Separating Men of the Same Name." Believe me, it can be a serious problem when you are researching a common name like John Brown as I am doing currently. Happy Hunting!



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