Saddleback Valley Trails

Vol 9 No 10 ...Editor: Gail Gilbert ...October 2002

South Orange County California Genealogical Society

 P. O. Box 4513, Mission Viejo, CA. 92690

Monthly meetings are held on the third Saturday of each month from 10:00 a.m. to Noon at the Mission Viejo Family History Center Institute Building, 27978 Marguerite Parkway, Mission Viejo, between Medical Center Drive and Hillcrest Drive. Membership is open to anyone wishing to join. Yearly membership fees are $20 per calendar year for individuals, $25 for joint membership. SOCCGS is not affiliated with the LDS Family History Center.

A Message From Your President


I hope, by now, you have either registered for the Seminar or have it on the top of your list of "things to do soon". You won't want to miss it! This promises to be a most informative and fun day. We are very fortunate to have been able to secure such a well-known speaker as Hank Jones. To see flyer with reservation/registration form click here.

The SOCCGS Garage Sale was a very productive venture. As a result the efforts and donations of members we raised $1768. A special thank you to Leon and Bunny Smith for hosting this event and working hard to make it a success.

Due to the success of the Garage Sale, the Book Selection Committee has ordered several new books and cds for the library. More information on these will be forthcoming. Of course, you can always check out the new items while on a visit to the library.

The SOCCGS Genealogy Library is now on TV! Mission Viejo Channel 30. We can thank Herb Abrams for this. The ad appears many times during the day along with other community service advertisements.

Mary Jo


"Tracing the Origins of Early 18th Century Palatine Emigrants."

A lively discussion emphasizing the how-to's of pinpointing and then fully tracing the European roots of our ancestors. A step-by-step plan of attack, showing how "They Came Together, They Stayed Together"

"When the Sources are Wrong!"

A study of primary and secondary sources often found to be in error, how to spot them and then overcome these troublesome obstacles as we climb the family tree. This topic is a universal one--touching every ethnic group and every time frame!

"Family Tradition: How to Separate Fact from Fiction in Genealogical Research"

A look at how long-held family traditions can be twisted and changed over the years. Using Jost Hite, "The Baron of the Shenandoah Valley," as a textbook example of how tradition can go wrong, this documented study has lessons for us all.

"How Psychic Roots Became an "Unsolved Mystery"

Hank shares his adventures behind the NBC-TV dramatization of his groundbreaking bestseller and relates even more amazing serendipitous experiences contributed by genealogists worldwide for his sequel "More Psychic Roots."


19 Oct 2002 Our speaker for this meeting will be Beth McCarty whose topic will be "Researching Church of England Records." Beth is a native Californian and graduated with a Bachelors Degree in Education from Cal. State Univ. at Long Beach. She is a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists and has been teaching genealogy and conducting genealogical research for the past 35 years, the last 20 years specializing on researching English records. Bev has served as a director of Family History Centers for 17 years and is currently Director of the FHC in Orange. Her talk will cover the value of Church of England records - baptism, marriage & burial registers, marriage licenses, bonds & allegations, - including information on non-conformist Church records also. She will discuss how to find the records and present some effective research strategies.


2 Nov 2002 SOCCGS Seminar featuring Hank Jones. To see flyer with reservation/registration form click here.. Remember this seminar is being presented as a community service. The fee is nominal compared to other similar seminars and, considering the outstanding reputation of our speaker, this seminar will be one you won't want to miss.


19 Oct 2002 The North San Diego County Genealogical Society will present a one day seminar featuring Barbara Renick, to be held at the Dove Library, 1175 Dove Lane, Carlsbad CA. Topics will include How Computers are Changing Genealogical Research; Better Internet Search Strategies; Discovering Cultural Diversity on the Internet; Disaster Avoidance for Genealogists with Computers. Cost will be $30 including lunch. For information contact Dorothy Miller at (760) 630-5720 or email <>.

26 Oct 2002 "Capturing the Past with the Tools of Today", the Chino Valley Family History & Genealogy Seminar, will be held at the Chino Stake-LDS Church, 3332 Eucalyptus St., Chino Hills, CA. Keynote Speaker will be James P. Terry from Legacy. Free classes will be conducted by Barbara Renick, Richard Wilson, Beth McCarty, Gary Shumway, Tom Underhill, Ilene Miller, Don Ray and Andrew Pomeroy. Preregister by Oct. 15, call (909) 606-7403.

3 Nov 2002 The Pommern Special Interest Group will meet on Sunday at 1 p.m. at the IGS Library, 1310 W. Magnolia, Burbank, CA. Jean Nepsund will provide an orientation to the immigrant Genealogical Society Library and Gwen Christensen will provide an overview of the common resources available at the library. This will be followed by a workshop on using the library resources for genealogical research.

9 Nov 2002 The Hemet-San Jacinto Genealogical Society will hold a seminar with Lloyd Bockstruck as the featured speaker. His topics will include: Identifying the Maiden Names of Females; Connecticut Research; Special Collection of Various Newspapers and the Draper Papers; Military and Pension Records. The location will be the First Presbyterian Church, 515 E. Kimball Ave., Hemet; price is $25.50 including lunch. Send check payable to H-FJGS to P.O. Box 2576, Hemet CA 92546. Information: (909) 658-1962.


THANK YOU to following for donations to the SOCCGS Genealogy Library:


Genealogical Research Directory 1996: Johnson & Sainty

Salem, Massachusetts: The Witchcraft Delusion by Sidney Pearley

Assorted Issues: Ohio Civil War Genealogy Journal

Ohio: The Cross Road of our Nation, Records & Pioneer Families

Ohio: The Report

Ohio: The Mercer County Monitor - Newsletter

Ohio: The Tracer, Hamilton county - Newsletter

The Mayflower Descendant Newsletter

Second Boat Newsletter

National Genealogical Society Newsletter

New England Historical & Genealogical Register

The R's Relatives: Newsletter for the Robison Robinson, Robson, Robertson, Roberson, Roberts & Robbins Families


Rowan County Cemeteries, North Carolina


Putnam County, Illinois Historical Society Newsletter

Benton County, Arkansas Pioneer Quarterly


Wolcott Immigrants & Their Early Descendants (First Six Generations)


Mennonite Family History Journals, 1982-1989 plus Indexes


The North Dakota Newspaper Inventory


Historical Sketches; Town of Southborough, MA

Southborough Soldiers in the War of the Revolution


Genealogical Data from the Pennsylvania Chronicle 1767-1774 by Kenneth Scott

Perry County, PA Cemetery Records


A Directory of some Cornish Resources in North America And Cornwall


Philadelphia in the Civil War, 1861-1865, Taylor


Tales of a Dakota Pilot, Fred Marke Roberts


Search for the Passengers of the "Mary & John", 1630, Vol. 25, 26, 27

Bring Out Your Dead, The Great Plague of Yellow Fever in Philadelphia, 1793, by J.H. Powell


American Indians, Myths & Legends, Erdoes & Ortiz

Tracing Your Scottish Ancestors: Scottish Record Office


Our condolences to Karen Schumaker on the death of her grandfather, Walter P. (Peter) Schumaker. In his memory, Karen is donating a book to our library. This will be a book from Putnam County, Ohio.


New Members: Wilma Boice

Robert Alan (Bob) Meinhard, researching MEINHARD in IL/Germany, REITZ in IL/Germ, DeJarlais in IL/Canada/Belgium, McGARRY in IN/Ireland, BELL in GA/Scotland, SWEETMAN in GA, McGloine in IN/GA/Ireland

September Guest: Kay Viale, researching FILGAS in Czech.



"The Draper Manuscript Collection" consists of a myriad of historical papers and documents accumulated by Lyman Copeland Draper over a lifetime (1815-1891) as a student of American History, and is an outstanding resource for genealogical research. The collection was donated to the Wisconsin Historical Society and was "organized by Society staff into 491 volumes, divided into 50 series of varying lengths, arranged by geographic area, subject and individual." It covers the period between the French & Indian War and the War of 1812 (ca. 1755-1815) and primarily concentrates on the "Trans-Allegheny West" which included the western Carolinas and Virginia, some portions of GA and AL, the entire Ohio River valley and parts of the Mississippi River valley. Examples of the works are his Life of Daniel Boone (5 vols), KY Papers (37 vols), King's Mtn. Papers (19 vols), VA papers (16 vols), TN Papers (7 vols), George Rogers Clark Papers (65 vols) - to name just a few. Military records for the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 are emphasized. A Guide to the Draper Manuscripts by Josephine Harper is available from the Wisconsin Historical Society for $40, hardcover. They also have a Microfilm Edition of the entire collection, a series of calendars and several volumes of published documents. If you are unfamiliar with this collection, I suggest you do a search on Google for "Draper Manuscript" and you will find additional information and a full list of the collection's contents.



If you'd like a chance to win the beautiful

Scrappy Plaid Quilt pictured here, be sure

to call Pat Weeks at (949) 493-4777 to

purchase your "Opportunity Tickets". The drawing will be held at the Seminar on

Nov. 2. The quilt is in blues and dark reds

with a creamy colored background. Tickets

are $1 each or six for $5. All proceeds will

go to our library.


The October Safari will be on Wednesday October 23 to the Carlsbad Library. Please be at the LDS parking lot a few minutes before 9:20.


Fall classes start on Tuesday, October 1st at the Mission Viejo Family History Center. Both of these free classes, "Beginning Genealogy" and "Computers in Genealogy", will meet on Tuesdays from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. for six weeks. If you missed signing up for these, call (949) 364-2742. There may still be room for you to join the class.


A roster of all the current courses is maintained at our library. Be sure to check at the desk for details.

1. Continuous classes are offered at the Mission Viejo Family History Center at 27976 Marguerite Parkway. For a current schedule or to register call (949) 364-2742.

2. For information on classes held at the Orange FHC, 674 S. Yorba St., Orange, call Beth McCarty at (714) 998-3408.

3. Classes for beginners and intermediates in Computer-assisted Genealogy are offered each month by the Orange County CA Genealogy Society in the General Meeting Room of the Huntington Beach Central Library, 7111 Talbert Ave., Huntington Beach, CA for a fee of $4 for non-members, payable at the door. See for schedule.

4. The schedule for NARA workshops is available by calling (949) 360-2641.

5. The British Isles Family History Society (BIFHS) holds classes monthly at the LA FHC of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 10741 Santa Monica Blvd., W. LA. Classes and parking are free. For information contact Dorothy Losee at (310) 838-6085,

6. Classes are offered monthly by the LA Family History Center, 10741 Santa Monica Blvd. Los Angeles which offer a wide variety of topics. To see the schedule for the current month, go to their website at or call (310) 474-9990.

7. Brigham Young University's Department of Independent Studies offers two free online genealogy courses, Finding Your Ancestors and Providing Temple Ordinances for Your Ancestors. See for details.

8. Community College genealogy courses can be found listed at the website: Many of these are also free online.


The Importance of Collateral Lines
by Nancy Gile
Reprinted with the author's permission from WAGS Newsletter Vol. 22, No. 1, June 2002.

I have heard many persons researching their family history say that they were interested only in the immediate ancestors, but not in the aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. I have never been able to understand this thinking, because in doing my family history, I want to learn as much as I can about my family, and don't see how that can be done while leaving out siblings and collateral family.

When working with the siblings, and you notice the absence of a birth for several years, it can be a clue to the researcher that some changes have taken place in the household. It seems customary that about two years between each child was the norm, so when there is a span of two years or more between children it can indicate that the father was away, perhaps at war, or perhaps he was a seaman, and out to sea for a longer period of time. It may also be a clue that there was a child in between the two children with a lengthy time frame and the child was still born or died within a short span of time. Often finding the records on these children is the only way to know they ever existed, since many times they were not discussed by family members. It was through finding a family on the census that I learned of two children in the Giles family, that we had never heard of. Thinking that they must have died in their youth, I later learned through later censuses and marriage records, that the one had been married and had children before passing away in his young manhood. Today, we are very close to the family of this uncle, visiting each other and corresponding on a regular basis. Had I not pursued the issue of siblings of my husband's grandmother, we would have missed this wonderful family connection.

In many cases the laws will change between the marriage of a sibling and the ancestor you are researching, and this will allow for more information on the marriage license application than the application of the ancestor. Many times between the birth of the first child in the family and the last, the law may have been changed to require the registration of the birth, where it was not required with the earlier child or children. Therefore information on the parents may be more available than in previous records.

Also, looking at the changes in the social customs between one sibling and another can tell you more about the family. Think about what records could be available for later children than in earlier ones - which child's birthdate would have made them eligible for school vaccinations, school examinations, mandatory school attendance, changes in the youth work laws, which were not applicable to the earlier children in the family. In rural communities mandatory schooling and work laws made schooling more available to the children who otherwise would have been kept home from school to help with the farm. In many states, even today, school terms revolve around the agricultural schedule.

As well as finding the complete family on the census, you should be aware that many times all of the children are listed in an obituary of a parent, as well as the city in which they are residing. In some instances I have found in obituaries that a child's name will be given, and it will be noted that no current address is available for them or that their whereabouts are unknown. How sad. What would have been the circumstance to cause the child or children to disconnect themselves from the rest of the family? I would want to know this and would begin my search to locate the records and at least on paper, reattach this child to his family.

Once again I hope this has given you thought as to the importance of siblings and collateral family. We cannot be complete without them, to my way of thinking.


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