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Vol 10 No 1 ...Editor: Gail Gilbert ...January 2003

South Orange County California Genealogical Society

 P. O. Box 4513, Mission Viejo, CA. 92690

Monthly meetings are held on the third Saturday of each month from 10:00 a.m. to Noon at the Mission Viejo Family History Center Institute Building, 27978 Marguerite Parkway, Mission Viejo, between Medical Center Drive and Hillcrest Drive. Membership is open to anyone wishing to join. Yearly membership fees are $20 per calendar year for individuals, $25 for joint membership. SOCCGS is not affiliated with the LDS Family History Center.


Farewell from Mary Jo

MY TIME IS UP! I can hardly believe that two years have gone by since I became your president. You know what they say, "time flies when you're having fun". . , and that is certainly true in this case. Thank you to all of you who made this time so enjoyable and, I hope, productive for the Society. My very special thanks go to:

Judy Deeter who is perhaps the busiest voluteer person I know. She was always there when decisions were to be made and gave us great input. Judy is taking a break from official society duties this year.

Joe Barney, without whom, no meeting or event would be much fun. He has a special way of making us smile. I look forward to his presidency.

Pat Weeks who says her office gave her little to do, but she never said "no" to added responsibilities. Let's all try to give her more secretarial duties during 2003!

Ruby White....what can I say about Ruby that we haven't all said or thought for several years. She is possibly the best treasurer ever and I appreciate her keeping me in line and our books balanced!

Iris Graham keeps our membership roster up-to-date and is very diligent in collecting our dues and welcoming new members.

Janet Franks is a terrific librarian and I have had much joy in working with her at the library and on the book selection committee. I look forward to many more rewarding hours in Janet's company doing the work of SOCCGS.

Shirley Fraser, as our parliamentarian, has this year chaired the committee to revise our bylaws. She kept us on the straight and narrow during meetings while keeping in mind that we are a pretty easy-going group and not given to a lot of regimentation.

Bunny long last we have a historian who has gathered all of our past records together and brought the scrapbooks up to date. She deserves special thanks for her work in documenting our seminar and keeping a pictorial record of our meetings.

Leon Smith is priceless. As ways and means chairman, he brought in about $2000. He will likely have this position as long as he wants, if he will continue to leave his cars outside so we can use his garage for our annual sale!

Gail Gilbert is the editor of the very best genealogical newsletter. Every month she puts in her special touches to make for very interesting and informative reading.

Herb Abrams is the person behind nearly everything we, as an organization, undertake. I don't believe that the words "no" or "probably not" are in his SOCCGS vocabulary! He certainly gave me plenty of the help and encouragement.

Yours in Genealogy
Mary Jo McQueen

Welcome to our new President

We welcome Joe Barney as our President for 2003. Joe has served this past year as our Recording Secretary and as Historian before that. Joe comes to us from a military background. He spent 29 years in the US Air Force, retiring in 1979. During his service, he was stationed in Japan, Korea, Italy, Vietnam, Thailand and Bolivia. Originally from Connecticut, he received a BA in history from the University of Maryland, followed by a BS in political science/sociology from Regents College in Massachusetts and an MA in management/administration from Central Michigan. Since 1983, Joe has been with the University of Phoenix teaching management, English, global economy and sociology. He began his genealogy research on his father's family about six years ago and is interested in anything he can find on the surnames Meagher, Gillette, Parrish, Stanford and Healy. Joe has a very friendly, gregarious personality, and we look forward to the coming year under his enthusiastic leadership. Other new Board Members include Hall Simons as Recording Secretary and Sandy Crowley as Hospitality Chairman. Mary Jo McQueen will continue on the Board as our new Vice President and Program Chairman.


18 Jan 2003 From our Program Chairman, Mary Jo McQueen: "We will have a presentation on resources available at the Carlsbad Library. Most particularly, this program will focus on the UMI which is, I believe, one of the most underused resources available to us in Southern California. The UMI is available in the West only at the Sutro and Carlsbad libraries. I apologize for not having more information to give you in this newsletter, but I promise you will find this a most productive and interesting presentation."


19 Jan 2003 The Pommern Special Interest Group will meet on Sunday at 2 p.m. at the IGS Library, 1310 W. Magnolia, Burbank, CA. Millie and Ron Akers will speak on, "The Hunt for the Koesterke Family of Pommern/Bolhynia/America". The origins of this family appear to be in Kreis Rummelsburg during the 1850s, migrating north of Rovno, Ukraine from 1870 to 1890s and then to Oregon in 1892. The Koesterkes are Millie's paternal grandparents and the research took them to Europe four times covering Poland, Germany and the Ukraine. The results has produced seven books documenting their family history.

Website Class Reminder

For all of you who signed up to take the website design class, we want to remind you that it will be held Sunday, Jan. 5th from 1-3 p.m. in the Sherry Butterfield room of the Mission Viejo Library. Our instructors will be John Smith and Herb Abrams, both very qualified computer specialists. If you failed to sign up, don't hesitate to join the class. There should be room for all.


Wednesday, January 22nd - the Carlsbad Library!
Wednesday, February 25th - Los Angeles Public Library
Wednesday, Marych 26th - Pomona Public Library

The Question Of Copyright
by Nancy Giles

I am frequently asked questions about copyright, especially after I have made the statement that I include a copyright on all pedigree and famiiy group sheets, GEDCOMs, etc. that I share with other researchers. Copyright is a very extensive subject and you can get information online about it, especially from the Copyright Office, a division of the Library of Congress at (do not include the period at the end of this statement in your Internet address.)

As for the genealogist, the biggest concern of copyright is what another individual is going to do with the information you have willingly shared with them. In most cases you want to be sure that the credit for the research is given to you, especially when it may have been the result of countless hours of research and sometimes at a larger expense than other times. I request that when I share my information, it is with the understanding that permission must be given by me, to post the information or to include it in another work the individual is creating, and the credit due is extended. They must acknowledge me as the source, with documentation noted. So much of the information now on the Internet, through web pages and commercial databases, has been taken fom another individual's research, without so much as noting the credit to the original researcher.

You will also find this subject covered extensively in the National Genealogical Society's Standards and Guidelines,, which includes links to these topics: Standards for Sound Genealogical Research; Guidelines for Using Records, Repositories, and Libraries; Standards for Use of Technology In Genealogical Research; Standards for Sharing Information with Others; and Guidelines for Publishing Web Pages on the Internet.

I have noticed that several of the quarterlies I receive from various genealogicl societies now include the statement with printed indexes, "This index, or portions of it, may not be copied, sold, posted to a web site, or otherwise formatted for distribution of any kind." This has become necessary to prevent major commercial companies from taking the material, changing the format slightly and reproducing it in CD form for profit.

On one of the Internet lists that I belong to, one of the members created a CD of his database, making it available to members of the list for a small amount of money to cover the cost of the CD and mailing; in order to receive the CD he requested that "A caveat is that you are requested to sign and may NOT submit the information to any commercial site, but you can share with FREE public sites. The disk is Copyright 2000 (his name)." He further stated I DO REQUIRE a signed note that you WILL NOT submit to any commercial site (without that, you will not receive the CD). That doesn't mean that you cannot submit bits and pieces as it relates to your family - only that you cannot submit the entire disk or substantial portions of it. Please be responsible and credit anyone who has submitted information to the database." Again, this shows that one of the biggest concerns is that commercial companies are using the material for profit.

It is my feeling that in this day of having so much published on the Internet which is so readily available to us, that we must be even more aware of the rules of copyright in order to protect ourselves from a possible lawsuit and to insure protection of our own research. If we as genealogists strive to adhere to the guidelines and rules of copyright, we will see even more evidence of generosity in sharing with each other. It will remove the reluctance of sending information to other genealogists and in answering queries.

Reprinted with permission of the author from WAGS Newsletter Vol. 21, No. 6, Nov. 2001.


For those of you who plan to create your own web site, it may be particularly important to become aware of the rules and precautions provided by copyrighting your material. There have been extensive articles on copyright by such notable genealogists as Dick Eastman, and I will try to provide a list below of pertinent websites for you to refer to for advice online. Also, the Federation of Genealogical Societies sells Ellen M. Kozak's book, Every Writer's Guide to Copyright and Publishing Law, 1990, 1996, pub. by Henry Holt and Co. (

The Copyright Office of the Library of Congress website:

Friends of Active Copyright Education:

The Copyright Society of the USA:

The Association of Research Libraries copyright Website:

On-Line Copying Is (Generally Not Fair Use, by Joshua J. Kaufman

Can You Copyright Your Data?, by Dick Eastman

Who Owns Genealogy?, by Gary B. Hoffman

Horror On The Web, by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, C.G.

Copyrights & Wrongs by Mark Howells

Taken From the Virginia Research List -

Under English Common Law practiced in the 18th century in the Colonies . . . .

At 14, Males (age 12 for Females) could:
Witness documents
Testify in Court
Select their own guardian
Be punished for a crime
Show land to a Processioner
Sign Contracts
Act as an Executor
Bequeath Property by Will

At 16, Males could:
Be listed a Tithable
Be mustered into the Militia
Serve as Processioners
Take Possession of Land Holdings

At 18, Males could:
Be licensed to practice a trade

At 21, Males (age 18 Females) could:
Release their guardian (or at a marriage)
Be married without parental (or guardian) consent

At 21, Males could:
Plead/Sue in Court
Own land
Devise Land by Will
Be eligible for most Public Offices
Serve on a Jury



A roster of all the current courses is maintained at our library. Be sure to check at the desk for details.

1. Continuous classes are offered at the Mission Viejo Family History Center at 27976 Marguerite Parkway. For a current schedule or to register call (949) 364-2742.

2. For information on classes held at the Orange FHC, 674 S. Yorba St., Orange, call Beth McCarty at (714) 998-3408.

3. Classes for beginners and intermediates in Computer-assisted Genealogy are offered each month by the Orange County CA Genealogy Society in the General Meeting Room of the Huntington Beach Central Library, 7111 Talbert Ave., Huntington Beach, CA for a fee of $4 for non-members, payable at the door. See for schedule.

4. The schedule for NARA workshops is available by calling (949) 360-2641.

5. The British Isles Family History Society (BIFHS) holds classes monthly at the LA FHC of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 10741 Santa Monica Blvd., W. LA. Classes and parking are free. For information contact Dorothy Losee at (310) 838-6085,

6. Classes are offered monthly by the LA Family History Center, 10741 Santa Monica Blvd. Los Angeles which offer a wide variety of topics. To see the schedule for the current month, go to their website at or call (310) 474-9990.

7. Brigham Young University's Department of Independent Studies offers two free online genealogy courses, Finding Your Ancestors and Providing Temple Ordinances for Your Ancestors. See for details.

8. Community College genealogy courses can be found listed at the website: Many of these are also free online.

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